Marked for Life, with Isaac Wright, Jr.
Isaac Wright, Jr. successfully fought his own wrongful conviction to life in prison, and has spent years since clearing his own name as well as those of other inmates in similar circumstances. Hear the incredible story of how he fought the system from within and prevailed, and how he has used that knowledge to not only cement himself a legal legacy, but used it to clear and preserve the legacies of countless others.
Transcript
Welcome everybody. My name is Gary Michels. I'm the
Gary Michels:host of Let's Talk Legacy, but I'm really excited about our
Gary Michels:guest today. Isaac Wright, Jr. He's an attorney, a businessman,
Gary Michels:a philanthropist, someone who successfully fought a wrongful
Gary Michels:conviction to life in prison and has worked ever since to clear
Gary Michels:the legacies of others under similar circumstances. Let's set
Gary Michels:the scene for our listeners. By the late 80s, you were a talent
Gary Michels:manager and owned an independent record label, while your wife,
Gary Michels:at the time, was a member of the platinum selling group, which
Gary Michels:you co founded, called the Covergirls. This all ended in
Gary Michels:1989 when you were charged with being the mastermind behind one
Gary Michels:of the largest drug distribution networks in the country and
Gary Michels:convicted to life in prison, but you didn't do it right? First of
Gary Michels:all, tell us what it was like to have your life just broken down
Gary Michels:in the blink of an eye, just like that.
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: You know, it's, uh, it's always, every time I I
Gary Michels:reflect on that, it I always feel something different. This
Gary Michels:is something that never leaves you, and it has so many
Gary Michels:dimensions to it, emotionally that every time you reflect, you
Gary Michels:get a little bit more deeper in your reflection than you were
Gary Michels:before the expediency in which you lose everything. I mean,
Gary Michels:there's just saying that, you know, it takes a lifetime, you
Gary Michels:know, to build a legacy and only five minutes to, you know, to
Gary Michels:tear it down, but when that is the result of the actions of
Gary Michels:someone else, it's hard to express the devastation that you
Gary Michels:experience, because you're not only experiencing your
Gary Michels:devastation, you're experiencing the devastation of the people
Gary Michels:around you, the people that love you, the people that you love.
Gary Michels:Well, what happened? So what's important to explain is how
Gary Michels:things were like in law enforcement and in criminal
Gary Michels:justice during those times. By the time the 1980s came around,
Gary Michels:you had a number of programs starting from probably the 40s
Gary Michels:or 50s, and they glorified police culture. You know, if you
Gary Michels:go back and you look at cops in the 80s and 90s, you will see on
Gary Michels:TV some of the most egregious violation of constitutional
Gary Michels:rights right there in front of you, but people didn't think
Gary Michels:about it at that time, because cops were so glorified, it
Gary Michels:became a culture of glorification through the media.
Gary Michels:And so they could tell no lie if a cop said at that time that the
Gary Michels:sky was yellow, the general public believe that the sky was
Gary Michels:yellow, and so during the time that this happened to me, I
Gary Michels:lived as a young man at the apex of that culture, and I was in
Gary Michels:the music business. Hip hop has always been the foundation of
Gary Michels:hip hop as a street and one of the things that makes hip hop a
Gary Michels:national phenomenon, something that that wows the world, is its
Gary Michels:connection to violence, its connection to the street. Even
Gary Michels:though these rappers are are telling stories about
Gary Michels:themselves. Most of the is not true, but they're telling true
Gary Michels:stories about others. What happens when you're in hip hop
Gary Michels:is you're not disconnected to that element. You know, if you
Gary Michels:have a if you have a hip hop artist that has an entourage of
Gary Michels:15 people, I can guarantee you that five of those guys are
Gary Michels:criminals. What happened is, is that we're out in a skate rink.
Gary Michels:I have an entourage with me. Police were investigating
Gary Michels:another individual that was actually friends of someone that
Gary Michels:was in my entourage, who I who I knew loosely. I didn't really he
Gary Michels:wasn't a close friend of mine, but I knew him loosely. The
Gary Michels:police is following him, and the police sees an indication of our
Gary Michels:wealth. You know, the jury, the whole thing I was, you know, I
Gary Michels:was very successful of selling a lot of records with making a lot
Gary Michels:of money. So they're taking pictures. They're taking
Gary Michels:pictures of everybody there. When they they follow this guy,
Gary Michels:they're taking pictures of everybody he's associating with.
Gary Michels:The prosecutor saw that, and I became his target. That's how I
Gary Michels:came under the radar. And at that point, my fate was sealed.
Gary Michels:Even even after I was arrested, they tried to distort me out of
Gary Michels:a half a million dollars. It was the moment when they they didn't
Gary Michels:find any money, and I refused to cooperate, when it was like,
Gary Michels:okay, then we're going to send you to prison for the rest of
Gary Michels:your life. And it was from that moment forward where they
Gary Michels:started accumulating false evidence against me.
Gary Michels:So while you were serving your sentence and you
Gary Michels:began to self educate yourself on the law, from working as a
Gary Michels:prison paralegal, helping other inmates in their cases and
Gary Michels:working on your own case, that whole time, seven and a half
Gary Michels:years, you were living side by side with some, some pretty,
Gary Michels:probably some tough criminals. How did you stay focused on your
Gary Michels:work and determined and hopeful?
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: Yeah, so, so the prison that I was in, it was
Gary Michels:a maximum security prison is it's a 24 hour lockdowns prison.
Gary Michels:The cell, I couldn't open my arms out in the cell, the toilet
Gary Michels:wasn't a toilet. Was a hole in the back of the wall. So it was
Gary Michels:a very violent and very tragic kind of environment to live in
Gary Michels:when I came to prison. There's a, there's a there was a, an
Gary Michels:inmate legal association called, there were paralegals. It was an
Gary Michels:association of maybe three or four paralegals called the
Gary Michels:inmate legal Association. They knew of me because of, you know,
Gary Michels:I tried my own case. I mean, it was, it was. Big news. They came
Gary Michels:to visit me, and they asked me to join the organization, and I
Gary Michels:agreed, and I went through the selective courses that I needed
Gary Michels:to take, and the warden had to approve me. But what that did
Gary Michels:was that gave me unfettered access to the Law Library. It
Gary Michels:also gave me unfettered access to the entire prison. I was even
Gary Michels:able to go on death row. So in my case, the prosecutor that
Gary Michels:prosecuted me, he was a head prosecutor. He was chosen by the
Gary Michels:governor, so my case was very political. The guy that actually
Gary Michels:prosecuted me was the governor's choice. I knew that when I put
Gary Michels:my appeal in, it was going to get rubber stamped, denied. That
Gary Michels:did two things while I was helping other inmates get
Gary Michels:released from prison, some of the ones that were wrongly
Gary Michels:convicted or and some of the ones that were that were
Gary Michels:overcharged and over sentenced. While I was helping them get
Gary Michels:out, I was also looking for an inmate that was charged with the
Gary Michels:same thing and that went to prison with the same crime that
Gary Michels:I went to prison for. I developed the legal theory that
Gary Michels:the statute was promulgated against legis was enforced
Gary Michels:against legislative intent. I didn't want to use it in my
Gary Michels:case. I wanted to use it in somebody else's case because I
Gary Michels:thought they had a better chance of winning. So I ultimately
Gary Michels:found this person as I was helping other people, I found
Gary Michels:the person that came in had the same charge, same amount of
Gary Michels:time, he had life, and I asked him, I said, Listen, I know you
Gary Michels:have a lawyer, but let me work with your lawyer. I have this
Gary Michels:legal theory I could put in your case. Guys got life so he don't
Gary Michels:have anything to lose. He says, yes, if you can help me out.
Gary Michels:Anything do? Do however way you want. I said, Okay, so I
Gary Michels:formulated theory. I talked to his lawyer. I said I would put
Gary Michels:this legal argument together for your client. We'll put it in one
Gary Michels:of just put it in one of his briefs. And he said, The Lord is
Gary Michels:like, oh, send me what you need to send me to us. I sent it to
Gary Michels:him. He calls me back. Get on the phone. He says, he listen,
Gary Michels:you sure you did this argument? The Lord didn't do this. I said,
Gary Michels:No, I you know, I did that argument. I told him. He says,
Gary Michels:Listen, this is an incredible argument. I'm going to put it in
Gary Michels:the brief. He puts it in the guy gets reversed, makes new law. So
Gary Michels:now I take the new law, I use it in my case. I get my kingpin
Gary Michels:conviction reversed and but let me tell you what they did. They
Gary Michels:vacated the kingpin, vacated my life sentence, but affirmed the
Gary Michels:other convictions. And so now I'm still doing 70 years after
Gary Michels:all that work, that's where the other hearing came in. So what I
Gary Michels:also did, I was also doing civil cases, suing the prisons for
Gary Michels:inmate conditions, medical conditions, things like that.
Gary Michels:And I also sued the state, the prosecutor, the prosecutor's
Gary Michels:office, for wrongful conviction. In one of the suits that I did,
Gary Michels:I want a motion where the court ordered me to be transported
Gary Michels:from a maximum security prison to the prosecutor's office and
Gary Michels:made the prosecutor allow me to look through their files. I was
Gary Michels:there all day. I went. I arrived at eight o'clock in the morning,
Gary Michels:and I looked through files until the office closed that evening,
Gary Michels:and I found a single piece of paper that I used three years
Gary Michels:later to get a police officer to confess that they set me up. It
Gary Michels:was an interoffice memo. It directed the police officers. It
Gary Michels:was a memo that was written before I went to trial by the
Gary Michels:prosecutor himself, to the police officers that was going
Gary Michels:to testify against me. It directed about five officers to
Gary Michels:read my files, to sign it and pass it down to the officer up
Gary Michels:under them. I understood when a police officer takes a stand,
Gary Michels:some of them write reports. Some of them don't what's important
Gary Michels:about a police officer taking a stand is not the report that he
Gary Michels:writes, they are trained to say that they didn't read any other
Gary Michels:reports. It's always good for a police officer to read
Gary Michels:everybody's report so he can get a broad understanding what
Gary Michels:everybody says. But when he takes the stand, he's never
Gary Michels:supposed to say that he read another Officer's Report. And
Gary Michels:here's the reason why, because if you wrote a report, I can
Gary Michels:destroy you before you even take the stand. If the officer that's
Gary Michels:currently understand has read your report, because he could
Gary Michels:testify to his knowledge, his personal knowledge. So if he
Gary Michels:read your report, I can then start impeaching you based on
Gary Michels:the things that he read. I can even introduce your report to
Gary Michels:him and start ripping your report apart. The memo is
Gary Michels:directing these officers to read all the files, which means each
Gary Michels:other's reports. So this is why this is important. I know two
Gary Michels:things those police officers don't know I have this document,
Gary Michels:and I know if I ever get a chance to ask any one of them if
Gary Michels:they read the other officers report, they're going to lie,
Gary Michels:that document is going to say something else. So I get him on
Gary Michels:the stand, and I geared up his honesty and his integrity and
Gary Michels:and he and he was rolling with me. Yes, I said, you're an
Gary Michels:argument. Yes, I am. Is you've done everything. Yes, I did. I
Gary Michels:said, but you wouldn't lie to Police Report. Would you? The
Gary Michels:last thing that you would do is lying at police report, which
Gary Michels:is, No, I never, I would never do that. And the last thing
Gary Michels:officer race would do this is another office would lie in a
Gary Michels:police report. Woody, he says, Officer race. I see officer
Gary Michels:race. The other guy that that, the other detective that
Gary Michels:investigated this case with you. He says, Mr. Wright, I never
Gary Michels:read officer racist report. So I said, Are you sure you never
Gary Michels:read officer racist report? He says, No. I says, Okay, well,
Gary Michels:what about detective Thornburg? Mr. Ryder, I didn't read
Gary Michels:detective Thornburgh. Oh, you didn't read detective
Gary Michels:thornburgh's report either. Oh, I said, what I said, Mr. Wright,
Gary Michels:let me stop you, right there. Here, the only report I read in
Gary Michels:this case is the word that I did. I've read no other report.
Gary Michels:You're under oath. You're going to swear. He says, No, am I
Gary Michels:honor? I understand. I've never read another report. I take out
Gary Michels:the report, and I'm still questioning the witness, and I
Gary Michels:hear him say, can I see that? I can see the blood rushing up his
Gary Michels:neck. He read it to himself. I saw him. I saw his nerve. His
Gary Michels:hands start shaking. He's getting nervous. And I said, Now
Gary Michels:read that to the record. He reads it, all the officers below
Gary Michels:that. Read it, read all the files. I said, Did you sign it?
Gary Michels:He says, Yes, I signed it. Did you date it? I said, Yes, I did.
Gary Michels:You pass any of our officers? He said, Yes. I snatched it from
Gary Michels:his hand, started walking back to my chair, turned around and
Gary Michels:says, So you lied. And all your honor today, you lied to the
Gary Michels:this this court today, didn't you? You lied under oath? He
Gary Michels:stammers. He stammers and stamina. He says, I didn't lie.
Gary Michels:I go tell the truth about what you did. He breaks down. He
Gary Michels:says, I've been holding this in for seven and a half years, and
Gary Michels:I can't hold it anymore. And he starts telling the entire story
Gary Michels:on how they set me up. Oh my god, I was, I was, I don't know
Gary Michels:I was. Like, it was an out of body, experience. Because, in
Gary Michels:the background, my mom, you know, my family, was in the
Gary Michels:courtroom, and she was, she was crying and screaming and yelling
Gary Michels:back at them, why did you do this? Like, why? Why? Why did
Gary Michels:you do this to my son? So it was, like, it was a very
Gary Michels:emotional the reporters was running back in and out of the
Gary Michels:courtroom, because, you know, back then, they used phones, so
Gary Michels:they were running back and forth in and out of the courtroom
Gary Michels:using the phone telling, you know, updating everybody what
Gary Michels:happened, and all that other stuff. And it was a very crazy
Gary Michels:moment. Everything was was vacated, all my sentences, all
Gary Michels:my convictions, was vacated, but the prosecutor wanted to try me
Gary Michels:again and reindict me. So the judge gave me a bail and
Gary Michels:released me. While I was out, a reporter found me and asked me
Gary Michels:about the new trial, and I told I said, I can't wait for a new
Gary Michels:trial, because the things that's going to come out in the new
Gary Michels:trial is going to be 10 times more egregious than what came
Gary Michels:out in my previous trial and what came out at that hearing.
Gary Michels:So I'm I can't wait for a new trial. Two weeks later, they
Gary Michels:dismissed everything and said it wasn't going to try me again.
Gary Michels:Wow. So after you were released, you obtained your
Gary Michels:law degree, and you became the first and only person in US
Gary Michels:history to have been sentenced to life in prison, securing your
Gary Michels:own release and then being granted a license to practice
Gary Michels:law by the very court that condemned you. I mean, you've
Gary Michels:done something that is amazing. You got to argue several cases
Gary Michels:before the Supreme Court, winning three of them. Tell us
Gary Michels:what it's like to when you really firmly believe in
Gary Michels:something, you will stand behind it no matter what.
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: Oh, until death, and especially if you
Gary Michels:have certain types of experience in life, and you know the
Gary Michels:importance of dying for your belief. And I say this all the
Gary Michels:time, you know people don't understand the importance of
Gary Michels:even representing guilty people. It's not to get a person off.
Gary Michels:It's to protect the innocent. Because what happens is most
Gary Michels:corruption starts with the guilty first, and it spreads
Gary Michels:like a disease to people that were innocent. What happened to
Gary Michels:me was a culmination of the prosecutor doing this to people
Gary Michels:that were actually guilty time and time again and and so when
Gary Michels:it got to me, he was emboldened. He didn't care about guilt or
Gary Michels:innocence anymore. So you know, this is a situation where you
Gary Michels:have to die on principle, not only in order to protect
Gary Michels:yourself, but but to protect the integrity of the system and the
Gary Michels:other and other people that may come after you.
Gary Michels:You are absolutely leaving a legacy. You helped 20
Gary Michels:other people, inmates while in prison and in many, many more
Gary Michels:since, and you're not only leaving a legacy for someone
Gary Michels:that stands up for what's right, but for all of those families.
Gary Michels:What does legacy mean to you?
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: Legacy hits me hard when I find myself
Gary Michels:preparing legal arguments in court and I'm looking at quoting
Gary Michels:the own the case that I made, I'm I'm reading my name, I'm
Gary Michels:quoting my case as authoritative, and I'm reading
Gary Michels:my own name, and I'm seeing all the things that I went through
Gary Michels:to be able to create this authority that courts have to
Gary Michels:follow. And so it's like legacy to me, means that I can look
Gary Michels:back at the road that I've traveled, and I can compare it
Gary Michels:to all the things that's happening today, and I can see
Gary Michels:that every sweat, every tear, every emotional turmoil, every
Gary Michels:loss that I've taken and the losses of my family is embedded
Gary Michels:in this authoritative law that are helping people on and
Gary Michels:helping lawyers and helping judges On a daily basis. In
Gary Michels:essence, Legacy means the future impact that you have on not only
Gary Michels:the current generations, but generations to come, infinitely
Gary Michels:so and that's and that impact, hopefully is a very, very
Gary Michels:positive one. I mean, legacies can be bad and they can be good,
Gary Michels:and my hope is that my legacy is one of positivity.
Gary Michels:So you represented dozens of inmates while you were
Gary Michels:still in prison and many, many more in the years since your
Gary Michels:release, overturning their own wrongful convictions and helping
Gary Michels:them to freedom. Talk to me about what it feels like to be
Gary Michels:changing their legacies.
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: It's hard for me to imagine, you know, because
Gary Michels:going through. System is a very individual and individualized
Gary Michels:experience. Some of us that has been through that can relate,
Gary Michels:but when we're through it, we know that it's individualized,
Gary Michels:the way that it affects us differently each time. And then
Gary Michels:you have those who's never been through that, who can only try
Gary Michels:to assess or imagine, you know, how that impacted a person and
Gary Michels:and how that impact changed their lives, for for the better,
Gary Michels:for the for worse. So, you know, I it's very difficult for me to
Gary Michels:to kind of understand how what I've done for people in facts
Gary Michels:and packs them on a personal note, my concentration more is
Gary Michels:on the impact of society than it is on the individual person. But
Gary Michels:what I can say to you, just from my observations and my
Gary Michels:experience, that these changes are profound, not only for the
Gary Michels:person, but for the family. And I don't know one person that
Gary Michels:I've helped that hasn't picked that torch up and and done some
Gary Michels:really good things in their lives, not only for themselves,
Gary Michels:but for other people. So you know, from from my vantage
Gary Michels:point, the impact has been profound for those people.
Gary Michels:Looking at everything you've accomplished
Gary Michels:professionally, with the law and the legacy you've left, how is
Gary Michels:all that different from the legacy you've built for
Gary Michels:yourself. Personally, just as a man?
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: I mean, it's, it's really day and night, uh,
Gary Michels:specifically, because I can't feel their pain. I know what
Gary Michels:they're going through, but I can't feel their pain. So
Gary Michels:professionally, for me, it's a it's really about the mission,
Gary Michels:and that mission is justice. Personally, it was a very, very
Gary Michels:painful experience. You know, it was a very tragic experience,
Gary Michels:not only for myself, but for my family. And so the gap between
Gary Michels:the experience for me personally and the experience for me
Gary Michels:professionally is profound. In fact, I am aware of my progress.
Gary Michels:I'm aware of my positivity as a professional, but when I was
Gary Michels:going through it, personally, I wasn't even aware of the
Gary Michels:magnitude of the changes that I was making when it was
Gary Michels:happening. I wasn't aware of it. I was so personally engulfed in
Gary Michels:in the fight, I wasn't aware of it. And to this day, it's still
Gary Michels:foggy, you know, because that you can't get, you can't get
Gary Michels:past that tragedy. But professionally, I'm very clear
Gary Michels:on what I'm doing, where I'm going, and how I'm affecting
Gary Michels:people. So yeah, it's totally, it's totally day and night in
Gary Michels:terms of the effect professionally, as opposed to
Gary Michels:personally.
Gary Michels:You've been written about extensively.
Gary Michels:There's been a hit TV series produced by 50 Cent based on
Gary Michels:your life, and now you're telling your story yourself in
Gary Michels:your memoir "Marked for Life". Tell us about the book and the
Gary Michels:significance of the title.
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: The significance of the title is the
Gary Michels:way in which I found myself, you know, and I guess the best way
Gary Michels:that I can explain it, and these are obviously people who who are
Gary Michels:Abbott hunters, can understand that concept, but a deer walking
Gary Michels:through the woods has no idea that he's in trouble or she's in
Gary Michels:trouble. The marksman that has that deer at his sights is the
Gary Michels:only one that understands the danger that a deer is in, and if
Gary Michels:the deer survives, then he would have a chance at some point to
Gary Michels:understand how much danger that he or she was in. So mark for
Gary Michels:life is a, is, is, is a title that describes this ex parte
Gary Michels:understanding of danger that a person is completely unaware of
Gary Michels:the danger that he is in until he actually is engulfed in it,
Gary Michels:and so you're marked for life first, before your life becomes
Gary Michels:in jeopardy. And that's what the title tries to represent. My
Gary Michels:Mark was my success. I mean, um, the prosecutor that actually
Gary Michels:went after me was was running a criminal enterprise out of his
Gary Michels:office, and it was his office was set up for forfeiture. The
Gary Michels:laws on forfeiture at that time was really lax, and the only
Gary Michels:thing that needed to happen was there a reasonable suspicion
Gary Michels:that you were engaged in crime. They could take your assets, and
Gary Michels:then you'd have to prove, in a civil case, you know, that your
Gary Michels:assets is clean and fair. And so he used that. He used his power
Gary Michels:and the infancy of the forfeiture laws to enrich
Gary Michels:himself and enrich the detectives and other law
Gary Michels:enforcement officers working in that office. And so my mark was
Gary Michels:my success and my wealth, and he got eye of that, and he came
Gary Michels:after it.
Gary Michels:So where can our listeners get the book, and what
Gary Michels:do you most hope they'll take away from reading it?
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: The book is available in every major
Gary Michels:bookstore, and it's also universally online through
Gary Michels:Amazon. So it's readily it's readily available in terms of
Gary Michels:reading it. What they get from it as human beings? You know,
Gary Michels:there's, there's a saying, there's, there's, there's eight.
Gary Michels:Million stories in a Naked City, that that's something that that
Gary Michels:came out of New York, you know, with 8 million people, but that
Gary Michels:that has a lot of a lot of substance to it. I mean, we all,
Gary Michels:each individual life has a story, but there's certain
Gary Michels:common denominators. And the in the book, The what I'm hoping
Gary Michels:that people get from the book when they read it is a common
Gary Michels:denominator that we all have as human beings going through our
Gary Michels:story, and that is that some of the hard answers, some of the
Gary Michels:ways of overcoming the more significant challenges that we
Gary Michels:face in life, is within ourselves, and sometimes the
Gary Michels:expectation that others are going to come to our rescue is
Gary Michels:misplaced in ways where that answer, that that savior is
Gary Michels:yourself, that individual that's going to pick you up and help
Gary Michels:you along the way is your own intuition, your own judgment and
Gary Michels:your in your own essence. And sometimes we have to leak reach
Gary Michels:deep down into ourselves for answers, because there's a lot
Gary Michels:of people that out there that believe that life is hopeless.
Gary Michels:There's a lot of people that encounter challenges that appear
Gary Michels:to be hopeless. There's a lot of people that believe that they're
Gary Michels:alone, and sometimes, you know, we've lost ourselves from
Gary Michels:finding our own self. So I believe that the best thing that
Gary Michels:can come out of this book is when all else fails for an
Gary Michels:individual that they have the ability within to find that
Gary Michels:thing that God has given them, to pull themselves out of the
Gary Michels:problems that they're having, and at that point, you know,
Gary Michels:seek additional help, but but the answer begins within, and
Gary Michels:that's what I'm hoping that that the book inspires people to
Gary Michels:believe to believe in themselves and their own abilities.
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright, Jr, thank you so much for joining us
Gary Michels:today. Really appreciate your time.
Gary Michels:Isaac Wright Jr: I appreciate it. Thank you for having me.